Great info Allan,
What's the name of the place you go to in Coral Springs? I'm thinking of adjusting camber today (and alignment) - I have an event at HMS on Sunday. Thanks.

TuneRS
11510 Wiles Rd
Coral Springs, FL 33076
954-345-7877

speak with Miguel? Tell him I refered you.

Write down your settings, give to him. He will give you a print out of the final result and should match to your specs.

OK, great info here. Thanks. The responses cleared up a lot of things.

I have heard the same thing. That toe can tires much worse than camber.

Now, by a pyrometer, do you mean an infrared (with laser spot aimer) temp sensor? I have a pretty nice Fluke I picked up at Grainger for another project. I will have it at Miami this Sunday if anyone wants to borrow it.

OK, great info here. Thanks. The responses cleared up a lot of things.

I have heard the same thing. That toe can tires much worse than camber.

Now, by a pyrometer, do you mean an infrared (with laser spot aimer) temp sensor? I have a pretty nice Fluke I picked up at Grainger for another project. I will have it at Miami this Sunday if anyone wants to borrow it.

Dave, you need one that has a probe which you stick gently into the tire.


The infrared version is good to test rotor and caliper temps or anything under the hood.

Ah, thank you. I see.
Well I think tuning tools are worthwhile. It takes a lot of quess work out of attaining an alignment that is actually maximizing one's tire, suspension, corner balance set up.

I imagine dirrerent tracks and different events like auto cross may take diffeerent alignments.

My goal is to collect data and find an alignment that works pretty good for most of my venues.
I dont have a pure race car that gets tuned diferently fior each track.

But I like the idea of setting up my suyspension to work well on an overall average.

We need to get together. Do you sell pyrometers through your business? If so, offer me a fair deal and I will buy one.

Thanks George, this definitely helps. Since I got the coilovers and camber plates all installed at the same time, this is kind of new to me. The last track event (with the new camber plates) I felt the car turned-in stronger but felt like it could do better. Perhaps I'll move the front to -2 and leave the rear at -1.8. Would that make sense?

Kendall is quite the drive, so is Doral, that's the only reason I don't go visit the guys at Flat 6 all the time. I'm going to try and get the new adjustments in place tomorrow Friday, prior to the event on Sunday at HMS.

Thanks again.

Carlos, Toe kills tires more so than camber.
I would suggest either of these settings depending on how agressive you want to go:
Agressive:
Front -2.4 camber, 1/32 total toe out, Rear -1.8, 1/16 total toe in.

Less agressive:
Front -2 camber, 1/32 total toe out (get as close to zero as possible), Rear -1.8, Zero toe.

The front toe out will help make the care "turn-in" quicker. Since I used to do more autocross than track I used like an 1/8 total toe out front and 1/4 total toe in rear. This made for instant reactions from the car but kind of twitchy on track.

Aligment takes some time to figure out and a tire pyrometer will tell you a lot how the tire is working. The autocross will be a good place to do some testing.

I have a good place here in Coral Springs to do aligments and they have scales too. Tell them your specs and they'll do it.

I talked with Renny at Redline. He suggested this set up which i ran.

2.5 minus in front, 2.0 minus in rear, full caster. slight toe out in front and same amount of toe in in the rear.

My actual specs I went to Sebring was 2.8 front, 2.2 rear, .17 toe out in front and .19 toe in in the rear.

I would not call this set up exactly "twitchy", but i would not want to drive cross country like this.

I drove up and back to Sebring OK.


The extra camber helped with sticking to the track, but the real winner was the toe in. Renny told me NOT to ease up on my front sway. Leave it full stiff and toe the front out. HUGE difference. I was running a fair amount of toe in previously whichg is great for highway stability but lousy ion the track. Almost ALL my under steer is gone.

Unfortunately i need to re do my alignment back to street.

I need to find a happy medium where I am not scrubbing my tires to death on the street from that toe out.

I wont be tracking the car again anytime soon due to a pending leg operation, so I am going back to street specs.
It was worth it throwing in a track alignment just for one event even though i am a novice.
My car was just amazing while i hung on and passed much faster vehicles like some Porches, Vettes, an 8 cylinder M3 and a GTR. I attribute the extra quickness to how my car was set up, not my driving skills which are barely coming on line

I had to get that out of my system. I will most likely back off considerably on the aggressive track alignment and just learn to drive the car on the track with a street set up. It will be more challenging and a whole lot less expensive. I think i can keep my toe JUST slightly in, in the front and be Ok on the track.

I have plenty of time to play with even more agressive alingments when I graduate to my BFG R1's.

I am having PLENTY of fun learning the limits of my Bridgestone RE-01's which I still say are simply amazing.
I am learning where they break loose and at what pressures.
36-37 PSI in the front is the sweet spot.

I run totally OPPOSITE to what everyone else does. I have 39-40PSI in the rear. That pressure keeps my tires cooler, they dont get as greasy so soon. My DSC kicks in less at this pressure coming out of turns, so I know my grip is at its best. Maybe it is from the extra 400 lbs I am carrying in the "vert.

400 extra lbs= many dollars in dyno tuning and cat delete to gain more power to keep up with coupes...
Top down track driving: PRICELESS!!

Dave,
Just go to zero toe front and rear, leave the camber and you're good to go, street or track. Now you have the best of both worlds.

I USE ZECA'S FOR ALL MY ALIGNMENT NEEDS...STREET AND TRACK BOTH.1200 NE 48TH ST. Pompano Beach, FL 33064. Call and ask for Stenio or Jose 954-942-8003 and tell them you are from TRACKWEEKEND.COM for a substantial discount. Rates will vary depending on the job. You know..camber plates or no plates, ertc.


Stenio just did an outstanding track set up withb toe out for me for Sebring!




They are next to Rennie at Redline BMW in Pompano. Stenio is great and knows M3's pretty well.

My grip is so good on my street tires, that i took a lot off my aggressive camber out. I went slightly toe in front and rear and -1.7 camber front and -2.0 rear. This is a perfect blend for the street for my Bridgestone RE-01 275/19-30 rears and 245/19-35 fronts

A track set up is really different right? I want toe out in front, right? How much? What kind of toe in the rear?
I still want full caster right?

I was thinking -2.7 rear and -2.2 front for my track days 18 inch (-35 offset) 265mm square BFG R1's.

I will be running a 10mm plate in front for BBK clearance.

I could use a little help. Thanks.

Stenio told me that a few of our members have used him. PLEASE POST YOUR RESULTS/FEEDBACK/ETC!!!! SO OTHERS MAY KNOW. OK???

Stenio at Zeca's was awesome! I sat in the bay while he did the alignment on my M3 and invited me to be part of the process. I was able to see and tell him where I wanted my camber and toe for both the front and rear. Also, if for some reason you're not happy with it, feel that there's too much or too little of anything, you can bring it back to him and he'll adjusted for you.

Stenio also agreed to give our members a discount, so be sure to pay him a visit and tell him you're a member of TrackWeekend.com Rennie at Redline uses Stenio for all of their customer's alignments. By the way, Zeca's is right next door to Redline.

That's where I'll be getting all of my alignments from here on out!

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